Superbowl 60 Patriots vs Seahags Discussion

[Lord Chevy]

But “mostly English-speaking” doesn’t mean “only English belongs on the halftime stage” — especially for a global broadcast with millions of Latino viewers in the U.S.

And “family friendly”? Please. We’ve had years of suggestive performances — hello, wardrobe malfunction? That standard hasn’t exactly been pristine.

That’s why the reaction is interesting.

The line suddenly feels stricter when the language isn’t English.

It does. A unified identity, core values, language. That is what makes a nation, and that is what we are pissing away.

 

[Mazz22]

It does. A unified identity, core values, language. That is what makes a nation, and that is what we are pissing away.

I think we’re overstating what “unified identity” means.

Over 67 million Americans speak a language other than English at home. More than 40 million speak Spanish. That’s not fringe, that’s part of the country.

And the Super Bowl isn’t just an American broadcast. It airs in 180+ countries. The NFL plays games in Mexico, Germany, and the UK. They’re building a global product.

So a Spanish-language artist on that stage isn’t “pissing away” identity. It reflects the audience the league is actively courting.

Core values — liberty, rule of law, opportunity — aren’t tied to halftime lyrics. If unity hinges on a 12-minute concert being in English, that’s a pretty thin definition of national strength.

People can dislike the performance. That’s fair.

But calling it national erosion feels like a huge stretch.

 

[Lord Chevy]

I think we’re overstating what “unified identity” means.

Over 67 million Americans speak a language other than English at home. More than 40 million speak Spanish. That’s not fringe, that’s part of the country.

And the Super Bowl isn’t just an American broadcast. It airs in 180+ countries. The NFL plays games in Mexico, Germany, and the UK. They’re building a global product.

So a Spanish-language artist on that stage isn’t “pissing away” identity. It reflects the audience the league is actively courting.

Core values — liberty, rule of law, opportunity — aren’t tied to halftime lyrics. If unity hinges on a 12-minute concert being in English, that’s a pretty thin definition of national strength.

People can dislike the performance. That’s fair.

But calling it national erosion feels like a huge stretch.

It's a symptom of the greater issue. We celebrate anti-American shit like Bunny and many others. Go back less than 100 years and you see immigrants who can't wait for the chance to integrate and live the dream. Now we applaud them for not giving in and forcing the rest of America to adapt to them.

 

[Deus Irae]

I think we’re overstating what “unified identity” means.

Over 67 million Americans speak a language other than English at home. More than 40 million speak Spanish. That’s not fringe, that’s part of the country.

And the Super Bowl isn’t just an American broadcast. It airs in 180+ countries. The NFL plays games in Mexico, Germany, and the UK. They’re building a global product.

So a Spanish-language artist on that stage isn’t “pissing away” identity. It reflects the audience the league is actively courting.

Core values — liberty, rule of law, opportunity — aren’t tied to halftime lyrics. If unity hinges on a 12-minute concert being in English, that’s a pretty thin definition of national strength.

People can dislike the performance. That’s fair.

But calling it national erosion feels like a huge stretch.

The only overstating here has been by you. And oddly enough, you've done that because you've chosen to deliberately ignore the reality of the language and family friendliness issues, both of which remain the same today as they have for decades.

 

[Mazz22]

It's a symptom of the greater issue. We celebrate anti-American shit like Bunny and many others. Go back less than 100 years and you see immigrants who can't wait for the chance to integrate and live the dream. Now we applaud them for not giving in and forcing the rest of America to adapt to them.

I think that framing skips some history.

Less than 100 years ago, immigrants were absolutely pressured to integrate and they were also criticized for not doing it fast enough. Italians, Irish, Jews, Germans all were accused at different points of not assimilating, not speaking English “properly,” not fitting the culture. That tension isn’t new.

And today’s immigrants do integrate. Second-generation language shift data consistently shows English becomes dominant by the second generation in the U.S. That pattern hasn’t changed much in a century.

Also, performing in Spanish isn’t “anti-American.” Spanish has been spoken in parts of what is now the United States longer than English has. Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens. Millions of Americans are bilingual. That’s not forcing adaptation, that’s demographic reality.

The NFL putting a global artist on a global stage isn’t celebrating anti-American anything. It’s reflecting where the audience actually is.

We can debate taste. We can debate whether the performance was good. But calling multilingual America “anti-American” ignores the fact that this country has always absorbed new cultures, adapted, and evolved.

 

[Mazz22]

The only overstating here has been by you. And oddly enough, you've done that because you've chosen to deliberately ignore the reality of the language and family friendliness issues, both of which remain the same today as they have for decades.

I’m not ignoring those points. I just don’t agree they prove what you think they prove.

English is the dominant language here. No argument. But dominance doesn’t equal exclusivity, especially for a league that markets globally and to millions of bilingual Americans.

And “family friendly” has always been flexible when it comes to halftime. We’ve had provocative choreography, suggestive lyrics, etc. That’s not me overstating it. That’s history.

So when those standards suddenly feel absolute in this case, it’s fair to question why.

But pointing to language and “family friendliness” as fixed, untouched standards over decades doesn’t line up with how the halftime show has actually operated.

 

[Lord Chevy]

I think that framing skips some history.

Less than 100 years ago, immigrants were absolutely pressured to integrate and they were also criticized for not doing it fast enough. Italians, Irish, Jews, Germans all were accused at different points of not assimilating, not speaking English “properly,” not fitting the culture. That tension isn’t new.

And today’s immigrants do integrate. Second-generation language shift data consistently shows English becomes dominant by the second generation in the U.S. That pattern hasn’t changed much in a century.

Also, performing in Spanish isn’t “anti-American.” Spanish has been spoken in parts of what is now the United States longer than English has. Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens. Millions of Americans are bilingual. That’s not forcing adaptation, that’s demographic reality.

The NFL putting a global artist on a global stage isn’t celebrating anti-American anything. It’s reflecting where the audience actually is.

We can debate taste. We can debate whether the performance was good. But calling multilingual America “anti-American” ignores the fact that this country has always absorbed new cultures, adapted, and evolved.

Bunny himself is anti-American.

 

[Mazz22]

Bunny himself is anti-American.

??? He’s a U.S. citizen from Puerto Rico. He has criticized US government polices but what artist doesn't do that?

 

[PATS16N0]

Calling the backlash “common sense” assumes American culture is still English-only and culturally frozen. It isn’t.

Bad Bunny is one of the most streamed artists in the world. If someone of that scale “should never have been selected,” the issue isn’t qualifications, it’s discomfort with who gets to represent the stage.

And the “bad language, just not in English” comment? That’s telling. Profanity has been part of halftime shows for decades. What feels different isn’t morality — it’s control. When the language isn’t English, some viewers lose interpretive dominance. That discomfort gets reframed as "standards slipping."

The Super Bowl is a global commercial spectacle. The NFL isn’t programming for one demographic. It’s programming for a global audience. Latino viewers. Younger viewers. International markets. That’s business.

So yeah — the hate is fascinating. Not because people disliked the performance. That’s normal.

It’s fascinating because it shows how quickly cultural change feels like decline to the people who used to sit at the center.

And when the center shifts, the noise always follows. And that’s never boring. LOL

Damn I didn’t realize you were such a leftist fag. This is some beta level shit right here. I actually hope you’re Latino so it isn’t such a gay capitulation. If we were a wolf pack I’d suggest we all maul you to death for acting super gay and suspect.

 

[Lord Maye]

??? He’s a U.S. citizen from Puerto Rico. He has criticized US government polices but what artist doesn't do that?

the NFL can make this right by having Bad Bunny executed live at next year's half time show