I still think Drew gets far too little credit for how he handled the 2001 season, especially after BB made the call to stick with Tom. He was pissed but never let that get in the way, and remained a true pro.
Belichick agrees to become Head Coach of UNC
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Ice_Ice_Brady
the executioner’s face is always well hidden
So how many other QBs has Belichick “developed”? They tuned him out and didn’t work hard?
Mac Jones
Baily Zappe
Cam Newton
Jarret Stidham
Danny Etling
Jimmy Garoppolo
Jacoby Brissett
Ryan Mallett
Matt Cassel
Kliff Kingsbury
Zac Robinson
Kevin O’Connell
Rohan Davey
How many tight ends? Dalton Keene? Devin Asiasi? Didn’t we just see Jonnu Smith in his worst version in New England before improving again with a coach who doesn’t use him as an inline blocker? How many tight ends came through Belichick and didn’t thrive as hoped for? Do you really think it’s because they just decided not to listen to him? Didn’t work hard?
The NFL draft produces late round surprises every year, as well as well as big hits frequently in the early rounds. Every team, every coach, every GM, hits big sometimes on late round picks. If there were any science to it, these guys wouldn’t be late round picks.
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So what Patrick Mahomes is now lol
HSanders HSanders
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None of that is germane to the topic. Though if it were we could talk about all the players that bill drafted,signed as fa etc. that went other places and were not as successful and why that might be. My guess is that you think that bb's drafting destroyed Brady's career and you give brady a 100% credit for winning with all of those people. another thing that I don't agree with but that's a different branch of this topic.I think that most people who think bb did almost nothing are still trying to make it sound like ,as the above comments do, those of us who credit both are saying that bb waved some magic wand and that Brady was nothing at all and bb completely built him from the ground up. that is not my argument. my argument is that he took what what Brady had and maximized and developed it. Brady put the work in. Brady had the drive. Brady had skill. I am not removing credit from Brady. I'm just saying that in order to get 4 you have to have 2 + 2.
The question I asked was what development of Brady (rookie year only) took place with BB that wouldn't have take place with an average coach. Instead of trying to actually answer that question, BB defenders have played "squirrel!" the entire time.
IIB's posts is actually very responsive the the attempts of the BB defenders to change the discussion, and IIB nailed it.
HSanders HSanders
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well i'm not sure how many practice reps he got as qb4 but likely not many. not many coaches would keep 4 qbs under the circumstances the 2000 pats were in. as a rookie he probably didn't get much development practice wise because qb is a singular position and they had a very well established starter. is this what you are looking for?
No. I'm talking about actual development.
And keeping a 4th QB wasn't something unheard of back then. It didn't happen every day, or anything like that, but BB wasn't inventing the wheel with that move.
Is Chapel Hill about to become Foxboro South?
The University of North Carolina confirmed the stunning news Wednesday that Bill Belichick will be its next head football coach, announcing a five-year contract for the former New England Patriots legend.
It's a fascinating development on several fronts, in part because Belichick has never coached at the college level despite 48 years of NFL experience that includes eight Super Bowl titles. So, who will join Belichick on the UNC staff to help him run a Tar Heels team that has won 10 or more games just once in the last 27 seasons?
As Patriots fans well know, Belichick likes to keep things "in the family" -- he hired a host of former coworkers, friends and actual family members (his two sons, Steve and Brian Belichick) on his New England staffs over the years.
To what extent he'll do the same at UNC remains to be seen, as college programs have a different structure than NFL teams. But Belichick said recently that if he landed the job, he'd operate it like "an NFL program at a college level," which could mean bringing some of his old NFL friends on staff to help build a winner in Chapel Hill.
Here's a running tracker of Belichick's notable hires in North Carolina's front office and coaching staff, which we'll update as more positions get announced:
Lombardi later spent time in the front offices of the Philadelphia Eagles, Oakland Raiders and Browns (as general manager in 2013) before Belichick hired him in 2014 as the Patriots' "assistant to the coaching staff." Lombardi spent three seasons in New England, winning a pair of Super Bowl titles.
Now, Lombardi will be in charge of navigating the world of NIL (name, image and likeness), the transfer portal and more at UNC, essentially serving as Belichick's player personnel director.
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Kitchens' role has yet to be determined and he never overlapped with Belichick, although he did serve as the Browns' head coach in 2019.
Turner is the son of longtime NFL coach Norv Turner and has an indirect connection to Belichick, having served as the Las Vegas Raiders' pass game coordinator under head coach and former Patriots OC Josh McDaniels.
View: https://youtu.be/GqxIYfAIot4
The University of North Carolina confirmed the stunning news Wednesday that Bill Belichick will be its next head football coach, announcing a five-year contract for the former New England Patriots legend.
It's a fascinating development on several fronts, in part because Belichick has never coached at the college level despite 48 years of NFL experience that includes eight Super Bowl titles. So, who will join Belichick on the UNC staff to help him run a Tar Heels team that has won 10 or more games just once in the last 27 seasons?
As Patriots fans well know, Belichick likes to keep things "in the family" -- he hired a host of former coworkers, friends and actual family members (his two sons, Steve and Brian Belichick) on his New England staffs over the years.
To what extent he'll do the same at UNC remains to be seen, as college programs have a different structure than NFL teams. But Belichick said recently that if he landed the job, he'd operate it like "an NFL program at a college level," which could mean bringing some of his old NFL friends on staff to help build a winner in Chapel Hill.
Here's a running tracker of Belichick's notable hires in North Carolina's front office and coaching staff, which we'll update as more positions get announced:
General manager: Michael Lombardi
Lombardi and Belichick go way back, so it's no surprise this was Belichick's first hire. Lombardi was the Browns' pro personnel director when Belichick took over as head coach in 1991 and ran the personnel department for all five of Belichick's seasons in Cleveland.Lombardi later spent time in the front offices of the Philadelphia Eagles, Oakland Raiders and Browns (as general manager in 2013) before Belichick hired him in 2014 as the Patriots' "assistant to the coaching staff." Lombardi spent three seasons in New England, winning a pair of Super Bowl titles.
Now, Lombardi will be in charge of navigating the world of NIL (name, image and likeness), the transfer portal and more at UNC, essentially serving as Belichick's player personnel director.
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Kitchens' role has yet to be determined and he never overlapped with Belichick, although he did serve as the Browns' head coach in 2019.
Offensive coordinator: TBD
While North Carolina hasn't announced an OC yet, Las Vegas Raiders offensive coordinator Scott Turner is a "top target" to run Belichick's offense in Chapel Hill, NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports.Turner is the son of longtime NFL coach Norv Turner and has an indirect connection to Belichick, having served as the Las Vegas Raiders' pass game coordinator under head coach and former Patriots OC Josh McDaniels.
Defensive coordinator: TBD
Belichick hasn't named a DC, but his son Steve Belichick, the current defensive coordinator at the University of Washington, is expected to be involved on Belichick's staff in some capacity. Former Patriots defensive coordinator Matt Patricia could join the staff as well.Freddie Kitchens (Role TBD)
Belichick said in his introductory press conference Thursday that Kitchens, who took over as UNC's interim head coach after the school fired Mack Brown in late November, will be his "first hire" on the Tar Heels' staff.View: https://youtu.be/GqxIYfAIot4
Bill Belichick has been UNC football's head coach for just a few days now and already he's been hard at work trying to fill out his staff and land players in the transfer portal.
Now, Belichick is reportedly targeting a fantastic recruiter to his staff, making an offer. Per FootballScoop.com, Belichick has offered Kentucky's Vince Marrow a job on UNC's staff. The site is reporting that Marrow is 'mulling it over' on whether or not he wants to join Belichick's staff:
It's unknown what the offer is but with Belichick building a staff including general manager Michael Lombardi, landing a big recruiter like Marrow would be a huge step for the program. Belichick has previously mentioned recruiting the entire country and getting that right is key for UNC's success moving forward.
Now, Belichick is reportedly targeting a fantastic recruiter to his staff, making an offer. Per FootballScoop.com, Belichick has offered Kentucky's Vince Marrow a job on UNC's staff. The site is reporting that Marrow is 'mulling it over' on whether or not he wants to join Belichick's staff:
Per the site, Marrow is Kentucky's 'most valuable and versatile recruiter' since he joined the staff under Mark Stoops in 2013. He also serves as the team's tight ends coach.
It's unknown what the offer is but with Belichick building a staff including general manager Michael Lombardi, landing a big recruiter like Marrow would be a huge step for the program. Belichick has previously mentioned recruiting the entire country and getting that right is key for UNC's success moving forward.
Mazz22
From Chapel Hill to Title Town
Lombardi? LOL
For NFL? I'd laugh too. For college? Lombardi is a natural talker and bullshitter. Honestly, probably tailor made for the recruiting game.
HSanders HSanders
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Without Lombardi the Patriots do not have Randy moss on their team.
Rutgers must be collectively shitting themselves now.
Among the many questions surrounding Bill Belichick becoming the head football coach at North Carolina is how a 72-year-old former NFL coach who's never had to recruit high school and college players before would fare at getting talent to come to Chapel Hill.
That might not be an issue if players want to join Belichick at UNC.
Belichick addressed this topic during his weekly appearance on "The Pat McAfee Show" on Monday when asked what his sales pitch will be to players.
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One of those players is quarterback Bryce Baker, who reaffirmed his commitment to the Tar Heels on Saturday. Rivals ranks Baker as the No. 7 QB nationally and the No. 3 prospect in North Carolina at his position. He was the top-ranked player in UNC's 2025 recruiting class, so keeping him committed was a big win for Belichick.
Belichick's remarks confirm what many viewed as reasons why he might find college football appealing and why he might not be at a disadvantage with recruiting. The transfer portal and NIL (name, image and likeness) have changed how college programs build rosters and pursue players. Having connections in talent-rich regions and energetically chasing recruits are still important. But players are now approaching high-profile coaches as much as, if not more than, coaches are visiting homes.
The success of Deion Sanders at Colorado has demonstrated how a program can be built differently now. Players want to be a part of what he's doing. As Belichick confirmed, it has similarities to how draft prospects and free agents are sought in the NFL.
"We're spending money, not as much as we spent in the NFL, but tossing around a little bit of money," Belichick said. "I enjoy seeing the players getting compensated for the arrangement that they'll be going into. It's a new landscape in college football but honestly, not too different ... this part of the process is not too different from what we've dealt with in the NFL."
North Carolina is certainly hoping Belichick's accomplishments in player development and winning are similar to what he achieved with the New England Patriots.
That might not be an issue if players want to join Belichick at UNC.
Belichick addressed this topic during his weekly appearance on "The Pat McAfee Show" on Monday when asked what his sales pitch will be to players.
View: https://twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1868725209261584590?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1868725209261584590%7Ctwgr%5E7dd18ace09a84c61634b469bb053484383a5e607%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsports.yahoo.com%2Fbill-belichick-says-players-and-agents-are-coming-to-him-wanting-to-be-part-of-his-north-carolina-program-213029280.html
One of those players is quarterback Bryce Baker, who reaffirmed his commitment to the Tar Heels on Saturday. Rivals ranks Baker as the No. 7 QB nationally and the No. 3 prospect in North Carolina at his position. He was the top-ranked player in UNC's 2025 recruiting class, so keeping him committed was a big win for Belichick.
Many of the agents representing players in the transfer portal have also dealt with Belichick and his staff in the NFL, so relationships have been previously established.
Belichick's remarks confirm what many viewed as reasons why he might find college football appealing and why he might not be at a disadvantage with recruiting. The transfer portal and NIL (name, image and likeness) have changed how college programs build rosters and pursue players. Having connections in talent-rich regions and energetically chasing recruits are still important. But players are now approaching high-profile coaches as much as, if not more than, coaches are visiting homes.
The success of Deion Sanders at Colorado has demonstrated how a program can be built differently now. Players want to be a part of what he's doing. As Belichick confirmed, it has similarities to how draft prospects and free agents are sought in the NFL.
"We're spending money, not as much as we spent in the NFL, but tossing around a little bit of money," Belichick said. "I enjoy seeing the players getting compensated for the arrangement that they'll be going into. It's a new landscape in college football but honestly, not too different ... this part of the process is not too different from what we've dealt with in the NFL."
North Carolina is certainly hoping Belichick's accomplishments in player development and winning are similar to what he achieved with the New England Patriots.
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