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It really feels awesome to be just five years removed from Brady, and past Belichick, and have lost a near entire draft with Mayo, and now be at the top of the AFC East with the most promising future in the Division. Down here in Florida I’m surrounded by Dolphin fans and Bills-fan-transplants and I can promise you neither are thrilled this is very blatantly where we are.

Jets fan I talked to Thursday told me he “doesn’t actually hate Drake Maye yet” so he’s “going to pre-emptively start hating him before he actually does in case he starts winning serious games.”

Jets fans and Dolphin fans especially thought we were spending thirty years in post-Dynasty hell and that they were destined to get the next turn with a super star quarterback to abuse us with.
 
If we close Allen’s window and start abusing the Jets and Dolphins routinely after what they just went through, that will be legendary.
 
From what I’ve seen though, Drake Maye > Josh Allen. Drake Maye made one of the most amazing plays I’ve ever seen against the Titans. If he’s going to start doing that shit in playoff games and division games, the AFC East is fucked.

 
Drake Maye has some serious potential to be the second greatest quarterback in Patriot history. It might even be his likely trajectory.

What a shit show scenario for the rest of the Division.

Really try to imagine what it must have been like to get dominated by Brady’s jawline for 20+ years while also watching him dominate others, and then go straight into this. Long term, stable, trustworthy coaching situation, and a QB whose floor is better than Drew Bledsoe.
 
Drake Maye needs to start compiling a vanquished-list. He’s gotta dish losses to Herbert, Mahomes, Allen again, etc etc.

Needs to get that Rodgers loss back in the post season.

I really hope we get to bounce the Colts too

Trouncing the Colts in Gillette than beating the Steelers in the game that decides which team goes and plays for its #7 isn’t toppable by the new era.
 
If we close Allen’s window and start abusing the Jets and Dolphins routinely after what they just went through, that will be legendary.


Allen's window will be open for years to come, still
 
Drake Maye has some serious potential to be the second greatest quarterback in Patriot history. It might even be his likely trajectory.

What a shit show scenario for the rest of the Division.

Really try to imagine what it must have been like to get dominated by Brady’s jawline for 20+ years while also watching him dominate others, and then go straight into this. Long term, stable, trustworthy coaching situation, and a QB whose floor is better than Drew Bledsoe.
Maye's talent level is as high as any other QB in the league, his ceiling is the best QB. Now weather he has the mental side, the longevity, and a quality team around him for the duration of his career, that is a different question.
 
Allen's window will be open for years to come, still
No doubt, but the team is at a disadvantage simply because he's on his second contract... which is massive. That will of course level off in a couple years when we need to extend Maye.
 
No doubt, but the team is at a disadvantage simply because he's on his second contract... which is massive. That will of course level off in a couple years when we need to extend Maye.

I absolutely hear what you're saying, and I fully agree with the general principle, but I think we've all got that a little bit wrong now. I mean, it used to be clearly true, when the huge money jumps were starting. But, today, with the top half (16) of starting QBs all at $40m or more, that disadvantage isn't really the tremendous gap that people still think it is, for the most part. $20m/year is not nothing, of course, but the big money disadvantage today seems more about a bad QB signing than a general rule. Paying Allen $60m is one thing, while paying Trevor Lawrence $55m is another. Realistically, the way the money's gone up for so many positions, we're theoretically only talking about a 1 player difference, if that, if we're talking a high end signing.

If your team can't draft depth players or find a bunch of diamonds in the rough, that $20m/year can still be huge, of course. But Buffalo's problems seem, at least to me, to be more about injuriy to high-end signings (particularly Milano).
 
You should know by now that thinking that way helps defeat the Real Mission.
I'm not sure I follow. Dolphins are done and we just need them to play spoiler at this point. Chargers lost again yesterday so they could have been 3-4. The real race in the AFCE is between the Pats and Bills. Other AFC teams like Jax slipped and Broncos are next. There's no way Indy keeps this up.
 
I'm not sure I follow. Dolphins are done and we just need them to play spoiler at this point. Chargers lost again yesterday so they could have been 3-4. The real race in the AFCE is between the Pats and Bills. Other AFC teams like Jax slipped and Broncos are next. There's no way Indy keeps this up.


Every team in the NFL is saying the same thing about Drake Maye.
 

Drake Maye’s rise looks real, and it could change the AFC’s complexion: Pick Six​

Drake Maye, in full uniform, points to his left and smiles.

Drake Maye and the Patriots are giving the Bills a real challenger in the AFC East for the first time in years. Andy Lyons / Getty Images
By Mike Sando
Oct. 20, 2025 5:30 am EDT

NFL insiders have liked New England Patriots quarterback Drake Maye. They just haven’t loved Maye the way Patriots fans and some media have loved him. Until now.

The gap between public perception and insider reality has closed over the past three weeks. Maye, who broke Tom Brady’s single-game, regular-season franchise record for completion rate in a 31-13 victory over Tennessee on Sunday, has resembled a top-tier QB in ways he had not before.

“For the first time, football people view Maye as possibly being a guy,” an exec from another team said. “He has always looked the part because of his measurables, but the game had not slowed down enough for him to develop that stuff.”

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The five-time reigning AFC East champion Buffalo Bills, idle Sunday after dropping from 4-0 to 4-2, now have more to worry about than the Kansas City Chiefs in the playoffs. The 5-2 Patriots, 23-20 winners at Buffalo in Week 5, are going to get better — much better — if Maye remains on his recent trajectory.

The Pick Six column begins there, with insider takes on what Maye has shown to earn their respect over the past three games, and what it means for New England — and for Buffalo. The full menu:

• Maye, Patriots change dynamics
• Almost paper-bag time for Raiders
• Trading Tua, Trevor or Kyler?
• Rodgers, meet the Betrayal Index
• John Harbaugh’s Super-long drought
• Two-minute drill: Wait, Giants lost?

1. The Bills went 24-6 in the AFC East from Brady’s Patriots exit through 2024. They finally have competition in the division.​

Maye’s development and the Patriots’ growth come at an interesting time for the Bills. Buffalo ranks fifth in offensive EPA per play but only 23rd on the defensive side.

“The (Buffalo) defense is good when they have a lead, but they are small, and you can lean on them a little bit that way,” an opposing coach said.

Think Mike Vrabel (listed playing weight: 261) might want to lean on an undersized opponent? Did you see the way the 227-pound Rhamondre Stevenson was running in Tennessee?

To be clear, no one is writing off the Bills.

“Mentally, as much as anything else, it’s hard to stay that hungry, and I see Buffalo as a team that thinks they can flip the switch at some point, because they have been good for a long time,” an exec said. “They have been taking everybody’s best shot for 3-4 years now. It is just hard to stay sharp.”

New England looks hungry. The Patriots and Kansas City are the only teams to rank among the NFL’s top 10 in EPA per play on both sides of the ball this season. Buffalo ranked first on offense and second on defense from 2020-24. Times are changing, although more evidence is needed, as four of New England’s victories were against Miami, Carolina, New Orleans and Tennessee.

“They are a good team,” an opposing exec said of the Patriots. “I do not think they are a great team, but here is what they do not do: beat themselves. That is the nature of that coach (Vrabel). There is a fear factor of accountability.”

Maye’s willingness to take tough and detailed coaching, which he surely is getting from Vrabel and offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, is an X-factor. Among the six first-round quarterbacks from the 2024 class, Denver’s Bo Nix and Washington’s Jayden Daniels appear to be wired similarly. Atlanta’s Michael Penix Jr. could fall into that category. Chicago’s Caleb Williams is fighting perceptions he isn’t wired that way, while Minnesota’s J.J. McCarthy must prove he can get on the field and stay there.

Maye leads way among 2024 QB draft class

Yards per attempt, passer rating and EPA per dropback for the seven QBs drafted in 2024 who have started games this season
A table showing the yards per attempt, passer rating and EPA per dropback for seven QBs who were drafted in 2024 and have started a game this season. Drake Maye is comfortably first in all three categories. There isn't much separation between the rest of the group, except for J.J. McCarthy, whose numbers were very poor in only two starts before he was injured.

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QB
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Yds/att
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Rating
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EPA/DB
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Patriots
Drake Maye​
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8.6​
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116.4​
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+.273
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Bears
Caleb Williams​
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7.3​
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92.9​
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+.073​
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Commanders
Jayden Daniels​
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[td width="4em"]
7.1​
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97.7​
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+.053​
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Broncos
Bo Nix​
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6.1​
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87.3​
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+.042​
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Saints
Spencer Rattler​
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6.2​
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88.4​
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−.017​
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Falcons
Michael Penix Jr.​
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7.2​
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85.2​
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−.024​
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Vikings
J.J. McCarthy​
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7.3​
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67.2​
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−.520
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Table: Mike SandoSource: TruMedia
The Athletic



There's little comparison statistically between Maye and the other second-year drafted quarterbacks starting for their teams this season.

Maye ranks third among 34 qualifying quarterbacks in EPA per pass play, passer rating and yards per attempt. He ranks second in completion rate (75.2 percent) after completing 21 of 23 Sunday, the highest rate by a Patriots QB (minimum 20 attempts) in a regular-season game.

As one coach who has studied New England put it, Maye has been for the past three weeks what fans and media seemed to think he was all along.
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"His development is earning a loose leash from Vrabel and Josh," another coach said while monitoring the New England game on TV.

When New England took possession at its 7-yard line Sunday, down 10-3 to Tennessee at the time, Vrabel and McDaniels put the ball in their quarterback's hands. They passed on the first play, gaining 12. They passed on the second play, with Maye taking off for a gain of 19. Maye later hit Mack Hollins for a 22-yard gain, part of a 93-yard touchdown drive.

"That explosive (pass) to Hollins was (Aaron) Rodgers-like," the coach added.

Maye's accuracy on the run, fearlessness in the face of the rush and the way he protects the football have stood out.

"He stands in there, gets his ass kicked and still delivers an accurate ball," the coach said.

A trip to the medical tent for a concussion evaluation Sunday served as another reminder of just how quickly second defenders arrive in the NFL. That is one area where Maye, who missed one game with a concussion in 2024, needs to hone his instincts. He passed the concussion protocol this time, despite banging the back of his helmet on the ground with great force.

It's a long season. New England sits second behind 6-1 Indianapolis atop the AFC right now. Nobody saw that coming, but everything is temporary in the NFL. The 4-3 Chiefs appear increasingly formidable. Buffalo, despite its issues, still has arguably the toughest quarterback to defend in Josh Allen. Joe Burrow could return to Cincinnati.

The Patriots won't play a top team until visiting Tampa Bay in Week 10. If they win that one, look out.
 
Every team in the NFL is saying the same thing about Drake Maye.
Then those teams are full of retards. Drake Maye has played at an elite level since his first start. The only reason he is getting more recognition now is because of the results. Last season he had complete garbage all around him, which is why the wins weren't there.
 
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